Oh boy my mother's favorite subject murder. I grew up with ID discovery in the background and I definelty see the public mythologizing murders. I've seen it with Netflix Monster Series and Ryan Murphy glorifying Jeferry Dahmer well simultaneously implying an incest relationship between the Mendez brothers will never not leave a bad taste in my mouth. I liked the first couple of books by Holly Jackson A good girls guide to murder trilogy . I feel in the real world book Sophie would have a lot of felonies for the murder/ attempted murders she theorized. I love my murdering couple Nita and Kovit by Rebecca Schaffer. I can't say murder is downright evil because they're some cases where I feel the justice system fails and murder is an option. However people thristing over murders because of they're parasocial relationship with them is gross especially because some of those murders preyed on children. Literal children and that is never okay
I think true crime is a way for many because many are either had a law enforcement upbringing thus have a strong sense of justice or felt failed by said justice. Also true crime appeals to those who like learning about people who committed a taboo against society even if they could never dare to do it themeselves. True crime also appeals to audience because humanity has always been blood thristy from when we where cavemen to conquers in empire but we become more descreate since then
In the real world, not fiction, murder has horrendous consequences. As a writer, you are in control of the narrative, what to reveal, what to hide. In the case of this murder and all the senseless killings that have happened on school campuses, movie theaterrs and beyond, it is the victims who call out to me. The family members shattered and left behind to understand how a loss of life solved the problems of the murderer. It is all unspeakable, yet we are drawn to these stories like moths to light.
Fiction makes murder so neat and wrapped up. The finale is always a comforting explanation. Real life usually leaves you with terrible questions, the kinds that are never answered.
I think the main public nerve he hit was a frustration built up over twenty years and more with a healthcare system that increasingly focused on profitability instead of treatment and healing. Wall Street really shouldn’t be determining who gets what care… but it does. Not saying that justifies the action taken, but I think it explains the reaction. And the fact he’s gorgeous.
Not entirely, but sometimes I anylyzed murders from the school for good and evil far more in depth than they were plotted. Was Dovey killed really cause they thought she was Tedros, or did they think she was a threat?
I’ve been shocked by the positive reaction to Mangione but once I saw a picture of him, I realized why everyone was sympathetic. Reminds me of the problem that a lot of people complain about in dark romance novels: is he really morally grey or is he just a bad dude who happens to be hot? I guess we have to ask ourselves the same question here.
I tend to gravitate towards murder in other or my original fiction as well. And some of that inspiration involves assassinations in real history.
Personally, I find it interesting to see the motivation, and with this whole United Health and Mangione situation, I feel like media celebration and memefication of this situation is messed up, yet the insurance/Healthcare situation is also messed up. Media and jokes put aside, it's complicated because many people would feel angry about the way things are going. In 2020 a parent got sick and had to pay a lot for mediocre health care (passed off symptoms for anxiety when now his doctor says he may have had covid and it left some damage behind). I personally think with CEOs and even leaders, murder doesn't really change anything since powerful people can easily just install someone else-- CEO, president, you name it. But to someone very angry and impulsive, maybe murder does sound like an attractive option.
I liked your observations about this! And now I'm excited even more for Young world... now I wonder is a leader dead or something?
Health care is so personal, so something like this becomes a Rorscharch test for your own personal experience with the system as well... You'll have to see where murder comes into play in YW. It's a surprise :)
The Talented Mr Ripley !!! I love this book (the entire Ripley series, actually), and it’s fascinating how the character of Tom is so sympathetic and charismatic and makes readers love him when he does and sometimes thinks horrible things. Patricia Highsmith was really talented (I read Edith’s Diary as well).
What would happen if we told a narrative we all know -- let's say Batman, but we make the Joker the hero and Batman the villain? This happens all the time, but what would happen if we do it straight. Meaning Batman doesn't do anything evil, he only does good things. But the Joker is still doing evil, and we only see the story from his perspective... I still feel like we'd root for the Joker. Perspective is everything. Whoever anchors it gets our sympathy.
i read The Talented Mr. Ripley for the first time this year, and yes-- obsessed. i DO love true crime podcasts-- and not the gory, clickbait kind-- but the kind that sort the clues, the kind that expose the larger trauma that led to such desperate decision-making. most often, an even worse choice to cover already bad choices.
and yeah, i think as fiction writers, we're intrigued by the steps that lead to story. the clues, the backstory, the character arcs and motivations.
if only real life we could learn as neatly as the characters in our books, do. make the world a more peaceful, loving place, than a world where we seek "glory" for something with irreparable consequences.
I like the idea of desperate decision-making as the thing that attracts you... To me, it's one of the standout parts of any book, because it's so relatable as a human.
Oh boy my mother's favorite subject murder. I grew up with ID discovery in the background and I definelty see the public mythologizing murders. I've seen it with Netflix Monster Series and Ryan Murphy glorifying Jeferry Dahmer well simultaneously implying an incest relationship between the Mendez brothers will never not leave a bad taste in my mouth. I liked the first couple of books by Holly Jackson A good girls guide to murder trilogy . I feel in the real world book Sophie would have a lot of felonies for the murder/ attempted murders she theorized. I love my murdering couple Nita and Kovit by Rebecca Schaffer. I can't say murder is downright evil because they're some cases where I feel the justice system fails and murder is an option. However people thristing over murders because of they're parasocial relationship with them is gross especially because some of those murders preyed on children. Literal children and that is never okay
True crime has become a way of life for many! It's the most popular pop culture genre at the moment. Something in it unites us as humans...
I think true crime is a way for many because many are either had a law enforcement upbringing thus have a strong sense of justice or felt failed by said justice. Also true crime appeals to those who like learning about people who committed a taboo against society even if they could never dare to do it themeselves. True crime also appeals to audience because humanity has always been blood thristy from when we where cavemen to conquers in empire but we become more descreate since then
This whole thing has been very disturbing. I like your take on all of it.
In the real world, not fiction, murder has horrendous consequences. As a writer, you are in control of the narrative, what to reveal, what to hide. In the case of this murder and all the senseless killings that have happened on school campuses, movie theaterrs and beyond, it is the victims who call out to me. The family members shattered and left behind to understand how a loss of life solved the problems of the murderer. It is all unspeakable, yet we are drawn to these stories like moths to light.
Fiction makes murder so neat and wrapped up. The finale is always a comforting explanation. Real life usually leaves you with terrible questions, the kinds that are never answered.
I think the main public nerve he hit was a frustration built up over twenty years and more with a healthcare system that increasingly focused on profitability instead of treatment and healing. Wall Street really shouldn’t be determining who gets what care… but it does. Not saying that justifies the action taken, but I think it explains the reaction. And the fact he’s gorgeous.
Agreed -- the CEO became a symbol instead of a human and I suspect that will continue.
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Not entirely, but sometimes I anylyzed murders from the school for good and evil far more in depth than they were plotted. Was Dovey killed really cause they thought she was Tedros, or did they think she was a threat?
I’ve been shocked by the positive reaction to Mangione but once I saw a picture of him, I realized why everyone was sympathetic. Reminds me of the problem that a lot of people complain about in dark romance novels: is he really morally grey or is he just a bad dude who happens to be hot? I guess we have to ask ourselves the same question here.
Absolutely. He is, in many ways, a trope that we are equally befuddled and transfixed by in literature.
I tend to gravitate towards murder in other or my original fiction as well. And some of that inspiration involves assassinations in real history.
Personally, I find it interesting to see the motivation, and with this whole United Health and Mangione situation, I feel like media celebration and memefication of this situation is messed up, yet the insurance/Healthcare situation is also messed up. Media and jokes put aside, it's complicated because many people would feel angry about the way things are going. In 2020 a parent got sick and had to pay a lot for mediocre health care (passed off symptoms for anxiety when now his doctor says he may have had covid and it left some damage behind). I personally think with CEOs and even leaders, murder doesn't really change anything since powerful people can easily just install someone else-- CEO, president, you name it. But to someone very angry and impulsive, maybe murder does sound like an attractive option.
I liked your observations about this! And now I'm excited even more for Young world... now I wonder is a leader dead or something?
Health care is so personal, so something like this becomes a Rorscharch test for your own personal experience with the system as well... You'll have to see where murder comes into play in YW. It's a surprise :)
The Talented Mr Ripley !!! I love this book (the entire Ripley series, actually), and it’s fascinating how the character of Tom is so sympathetic and charismatic and makes readers love him when he does and sometimes thinks horrible things. Patricia Highsmith was really talented (I read Edith’s Diary as well).
What would happen if we told a narrative we all know -- let's say Batman, but we make the Joker the hero and Batman the villain? This happens all the time, but what would happen if we do it straight. Meaning Batman doesn't do anything evil, he only does good things. But the Joker is still doing evil, and we only see the story from his perspective... I still feel like we'd root for the Joker. Perspective is everything. Whoever anchors it gets our sympathy.
i read The Talented Mr. Ripley for the first time this year, and yes-- obsessed. i DO love true crime podcasts-- and not the gory, clickbait kind-- but the kind that sort the clues, the kind that expose the larger trauma that led to such desperate decision-making. most often, an even worse choice to cover already bad choices.
and yeah, i think as fiction writers, we're intrigued by the steps that lead to story. the clues, the backstory, the character arcs and motivations.
if only real life we could learn as neatly as the characters in our books, do. make the world a more peaceful, loving place, than a world where we seek "glory" for something with irreparable consequences.
I like the idea of desperate decision-making as the thing that attracts you... To me, it's one of the standout parts of any book, because it's so relatable as a human.